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As a student of light, feedback would be good. All ears here. I rarely shoot any portraits, so this was a good excercise. Still learning the ropes. Equip: D200, f/8.0, S:200, Nikor24-70 2.8 Elinchrom B400 lights, Main:22" Beauty dish f/8, Large Octa for fill f/5.6 (both adj down for overall f/8). Thanks, Paul
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Great shots. I think your lighting is nice. Very soft and flattering and nicely exposed (most important). I think everyone has something they look for in an image so if this sings to you, go with it. I think I like to see some more contrast between main and fill lights. I attached an image. Maybe I like things a little more moody especially with the rich darker background you chose. Most of the times I am using one main and a reflector (less for kids to try to swing from).

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Not sure why or how this got closed but i'm reopening it.

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First...Mahalo Cris for reopening this thread!

Now for my input on the lighting etc on the exercise... Paul, first I'll address the lighting: I think your key light is too much directly in front of the subjects, and low. As a result there is no modeling to the faces. You may have kept the 3 to 1 ratio on your lights when you "adjusted them down to get F8 overall", but with the straight on front lighting, you can't tell.

On the first image it would've been better to place the key to camera right so as to give depth and definition to the faces.

Also on that 1st image, to me it looks like the subjects are disconnected... The mom is fussing with the daughter's dress, not too happily, and the daughter looks like she's paying attention to someone out of the frame. If the girl was looking at what mom was doing with her dress, or if she was looking at mom I think it would be better.

The last 2 images...same thing about the lighting. Too flat. Also on #2 there's reflection of your key light on the background above the head. Not so good. Again, raising the light and placing it off to one side will give you better modeling, and would've prevented the reflection on the background.

I hope this is helpful to you, Paul. Keep at it!
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Stan, Thanks so much for your feedback. Much appreciated! Image 1: Good call - the daughter is focused on her dad standing on the side keeping her entertained. Image 2: The reflection is actually a 3rd light, I failed to identify earlier, used on the backdrop, set at f/8 with a 30 degree grid. Image 3: I dodged out the background in PS3 (so not a good sample). The large beauty dish, (with Gold Reflector) used as the main, is 3 ft. camera left with the very large Octa, 4 ft right of camera. Both strobes appear to be about centered at 4-4 ½ ft high. The attached image (10-20mm) shows the setup in the distant background left http://www.prophotoresource.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=126&stc=1&d=1202618631 Although I really like the gold glow & hair highlight effect of the beauty dish, I do not have a real good feel for the setup. Attached are 2 add’l shots with this setup. Boom hairlight not used.
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Wow, Paul! With that additional info, I'm just surprised! It really looks like a one light setup in that there are no apparent shadows. Usually when setting up 2 lights, one on either side of the camera there will be telltale shadows from each light. It appears that your lights are set at the same intensity and completely eliminating the shadows, producing a very flat light.

Here's a better way to set up your lights: Place the key light at about a 45 degree angle to your subject, both from the side and from the height of the light. So drawing a line from the camera to your subject, then from subject 90 degrees to the side, split the 90 degrees and place the light there. Then raise it up and angle the head down 45 degrees to aim at the subject.

Then set the fill light right next to the camera at lens height and straight ahead to the subject. If your key is at F8 and your fill at F5.6 your lens should be set to F8 and a half. This will give you a 3 to 1 lighting ratio and nice modeling on the faces.

The background light should only be slightly apparent and only slightly above the shoulder. Unless you want to light up the whole background, which wasn't your intent or you wouldn't use a grid spot. So F7.5 or even F8 would be fine for the background light.

Keep playing and have fun!
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